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Re: Buffalo dual

Postby Red Blades » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:44 pm

klehner wrote:
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scribe wrote:I don’t know what Chavez’s opponent was thinking. I’d want no part of that lockup.


Yeah, you could see that one coming! Chavez was salivating...


I went back and watched that sequence. Chavez does an amazing twist/arch thing while being thrown to end up on top. It was very impressive to see. His upper-body presence is remarkable. I guess that comes with the Greco territory, but still...


Agree - watch again, click through it slow and watch the feet position (Chavez vs Grover). No mistake, Chavez is totally in control of that sequence.
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Re: Buffalo dual

Postby ugarte » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:46 pm

klehner wrote:
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scribe wrote:I don’t know what Chavez’s opponent was thinking. I’d want no part of that lockup.


Yeah, you could see that one coming! Chavez was salivating...


I went back and watched that sequence. Chavez does an amazing twist/arch thing while being thrown to end up on top. It was very impressive to see. His upper-body presence is remarkable. I guess that comes with the Greco territory, but still...

chavez was not being thrown even though the crowd was momentarily fooled. he stepped back to leverage the throw and planted the poor kid from buffalo. kid didn't realize he was dealing with a greco specialist and it was over as soon as JJ got the hold locked.

santoro was winded and couldn't ride but he was still strong enough to effectively counter. pulled a reversal and a takedown while the buffalo guys were all screaming about how tired he was.

solid performance throughout - credit to dean and womack for making the extra effort to get bonus points even if it didn't work out for either of them.
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Re: Buffalo dual

Postby tjhart » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:00 pm

I am curious about Tucker's choice in OT. He selected neutral, ceding a point and giving himself only 30 seconds to secure a takedown and win.
So, he must have at least some level of confidence in his ability on his feet--specifically in his ability to score while on his feet.
Yet, during regulation he is usually passive, choosing instead to tie-up and block.

Unless there is a wind issue, I can't figure out a way to see how his OT strategy matches up with his in-match game plan.

A little help?
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Re: Buffalo dual

Postby ugarte » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:10 pm

tjhart wrote:I am curious about Tucker's choice in OT. He selected neutral, ceding a point and giving himself only 30 seconds to secure a takedown and win.
So, he must have at least some level of confidence in his ability on his feet--specifically in his ability to score while on his feet.
Yet, during regulation he is usually passive, choosing instead to tie-up and block.

Unless there is a wind issue, I can't figure out a way to see how his OT strategy matches up with his in-match game plan.

A little help?

After being ridden for 30 seconds he didn't want to lose on an escape with no time to counter. Decided he was more likely to get a takedown than a rideout. He doesn't try to score as much as he probably could but with 30 seconds and no options he forced the action and got the 2 - he almost finished that same takedown in (IIRC) the third period so it probably gave him some confidence.
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Re: Buffalo dual

Postby tjhart » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:28 pm

I understand why he elected to do what he did in OT, but then why does he tie up and only take 1 full shot in 5 minutes of wrestling on his feet during regulation?
He's rattlesnake quick, changing levels and taking freed up shots looks like a better way.
But, what the hell do I know?
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Re: Buffalo dual

Postby ugarte » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:36 pm

tjhart wrote:I understand why he elected to do what he did in OT, but then why does he tie up and only take 1 full shot in 5 minutes of wrestling on his feet during regulation?

half-assed answer is that he's more comfortable on his feet than on top. he's not very long - he looked like a fireplug compared to his opponent, and with t-rex arms. (all due respect to him. sorry.)
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Re: Buffalo dual

Postby klehner » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:45 pm

tjhart wrote:I understand why he elected to do what he did in OT, but then why does he tie up and only take 1 full shot in 5 minutes of wrestling on his feet during regulation?
He's rattlesnake quick, changing levels and taking freed up shots looks like a better way.
But, what the hell do I know?


Said Rob Koll after CKLV about Chaz:

"I also believe he can lose to lesser opponents if he doesn’t increase his pace. He doesn’t get tired so this should not be a problem"
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Re: Buffalo dual

Postby Red Blades » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:52 pm

Chaz was in a couple of times on Lantry, but just couldn't quite finish; so it's not like he didn't try to score until the OT. In this case, after getting ridden out - he probably did NOT have confidence he could do the same to Lantry, so going for the TD in 30 seconds was the best alternative. Thankfully, the last time he finished it! :)
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Re: Buffalo dual

Postby NJDan » Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:14 pm

I was surprised that Chas got ridden out. He escaped instantly during regulation.

Also, I recall hime being in deep on several shots that he did not finish.
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Re: Buffalo dual

Postby pickled » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:54 am

Don't go upper body with the greco guy!
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If you listen to the broadcast as soon as their hands get clinched you can hear one of the UB coaches yell "he's good here!".
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Re: Buffalo dual

Postby klehner » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:02 am

pickled wrote:Don't go upper body with the greco guy!
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If you listen to the broadcast as soon as their hands get clinched you can hear one of the UB coaches yell "he's good here!".


Is there some question of legality with that move? Are you allowed to bring someone over your shoulder like that?

I must say it is impressive that the Buffalo wrestler had a foot on the mat (or within an inch or two for a fraction of a second) during the entire sequence.
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