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Re: PPL Center

Postby Legger » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:03 pm

thewhorehouseisbusy wrote:The goal of Easterns organizers is to get it over with as quickly as possible. Only wrestling masochists attend.


**** True wrestling fans have no trouble with committing 2 full days to the EIWAs. My son and I attend every year. Even though I now live in NC I will be travelling to attend, especially since Lehigh has a strong team that is really fun to watch.
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Re: PPL Center

Postby thewhorehouseisbusy » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:04 pm

You kids are missing my point. Easterns could be a jewel if marketed properly. Organizers now seemingly go out of their way to ruin the franchise.
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Re: PPL Center

Postby RichB » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:20 pm

With the present NCAA tournament dates, EIWA needs to be Saturday Sunday, and tickets for any student, especially wrestlers, and any youth or HS wrestling coach should be cheap, dirt cheap.
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Re: PPL Center

Postby JDALU75 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:34 pm

JAD77 wrote:However, let's be realistic about the EIWA's. That probably doesn't draw more than 2,500 for the finals, if that, and less for the other segments. PPL Center is not a charity - I would bet that renting PPL runs at least $50k a day, plus some hefty extra labor fees. I don't see how it would be economically feasible, unless everyone was willing to pay $500 and up for an all session ticket.

I have no idea what it costs, but let's say the $50K cost for two days is accurate. $100K / $80 = 1250 additional all-session tickets required to cover the expense. I've seen the numbers for a typical EIWA tournament and a $100K loss would be a disaster. The conference actually maintains a contingency fund to cover in the event of disasters, whether caused by inclement weather or locating the tournament in upstate NY (a concept to be tested at Binghamton in 2019). Are there really an additional 1250 or so fans who would attend at PPL who aren't already coming to Stabler or Sojka?
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Re: PPL Center

Postby WallyCKP » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:03 pm

>>>You kids are missing my point. Easterns could be a jewel if marketed properly. Organizers now seemingly go out of there way to ruin the franchise.

If pigs could just fly. Now ... as opposed to which marketing efforts of the last 100+ Easterns?

The only thing that has really changed over time is our ages, gramps. I assume I can call you that for talkin' to guys 64 to 70. :roll:

Plus the cost of everything in life. Talk is cheap, though.
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Re: PPL Center

Postby Legger » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:22 pm

WallyCKP wrote:k>You kids are missing my point. Easterns could be a jewel if marketed properly. Organizers now seemingly go out of there way to ruin the franchise.



The only thing that has really changed over time is our ages, gramps. I assume I can call you that for talkin' to guys 64 to 70. :roll:



**** Hey I resemble that remark. Not a gramps yet. Hopefully not until Jake finishes Pharmacy School and gets a good job.
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Re: PPL Center

Postby JAD77 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:24 pm

thewhorehouseisbusy wrote:You kids are missing my point. Easterns could be a jewel if marketed properly. Organizers now seemingly go out of there way to ruin the franchise.

You have a point. The first EIWA tournament that I went to was when I was a freshman in HIgh School-1969 at the brand new Jadwin Gym. I remember the place being pretty full, and that was with the full seating configuration of about 7,000 seats. I don't know if anyone has attendance records for that year, but I would think 6,000 for the finals might be a good guess?
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Re: PPL Center

Postby LU in the snow » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:05 am

Guys, aren't we two months early with the annual friday/saturday versus sat/sun debate ?
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Re: PPL Center

Postby thewhorehouseisbusy » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:08 am

EIWA "staff" should read through this.

https://wwcutts.files.wordpress.com/201 ... g-plan.pdf
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Re: PPL Center

Postby mr_ftl » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:52 am

LU in the snow wrote:Guys, aren't we two months early with the annual friday/saturday versus sat/sun debate ?

i thought it occurred during Lehigh-Lafayette weekend.
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Re: PPL Center

Postby RichB » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:17 pm

No EIWA or HS Districts/regionals, not even a PL basketball Tourney but

NCAA MIDWEST(sic) D1 mens hockey regional.

http://www.pplcenter.com/events/detail/ ... y-regional

Only D1 Varsity mens Hockey I see In Pa or NJ (or states immediately south.) Princeton, PSU, Mercyhurst

This is not an editorial piece. just informational
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Re: PPL Center

Postby JDALU75 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:12 pm

LU in the snow wrote:Guys, aren't we two months early with the annual friday/saturday versus sat/sun debate ?

How 'bout Friday / Sunday with a day off in-between so that our butts can recover.
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Re: PPL Center

Postby WallyCKP » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:02 am

I've tracked attendance historically & on-going for decades and can offer finals #s below

Heaven forbid if a modern skeptic, cynic or critic would own up to the fact that PSU, Pitt & Syracuse are gone for good and that no promotion will make up for those losses. Not to mention that dual meet seasons ran 10-13 meets until the '70's - and there were far few opens (we didn't got to Midlands until '75; how old is the Scuffle?) -- and until the '70's relatively few LU fans went to NCAAs'

1953-- 4,500- Cornell

1960-- 3,200- Princeton
1962-- 6,000- Penn St
1963-- 4,000- Navy
1964-- 3,300- F&M
1965-- 7,000- Cornell
1966-- 3,479- Pitt
1967-- 7,918- Penn
1968-- 2,200- Princeton
1969-- 5,200- Princeton
1970-- 4,000- Penn St
1971-- 4,000- Navy

1980-- 5,800- Lehigh

1999-- 1,200- Army
2000-- 2,000- Navy
2001-- 1,700- Penn
2002-- 2,300- Lehigh
2003-- 1,500- Cornell
2004--2,883- Penn
2005-- 2,000- Navy
2006-- 2,329- Lehigh
2007-- 2,562- ESU
2008--2,100- F&M
2009-- 1,500- Penn
2010-- 2,058- Lehigh
2011-- 1,674- Bucknell
2012-- 1,700- Princeton
2013-- 1,260- Rutgers
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Re: PPL Center

Postby JAD77 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:19 pm

WallyCKP wrote:I've tracked attendance historically & on-going for decades and can offer finals #s below

Heaven forbid if a modern skeptic, cynic or critic would own up to the fact that PSU, Pitt & Syracuse are gone for good and that no promotion will make up for those losses. Not to mention that dual meet seasons ran 10-13 meets until the '70's - and there were far few opens (we didn't got to Midlands until '75; how old is the Scuffle?) -- and until the '70's relatively few LU fans went to NCAAs'

1953-- 4,500- Cornell

1960-- 3,200- Princeton
1962-- 6,000- Penn St
1963-- 4,000- Navy
1964-- 3,300- F&M
1965-- 7,000- Cornell
1966-- 3,479- Pitt
1967-- 7,918- Penn
1968-- 2,200- Princeton
1969-- 5,200- Princeton
1970-- 4,000- Penn St
1971-- 4,000- Navy

1980-- 5,800- Lehigh

1999-- 1,200- Army
2000-- 2,000- Navy
2001-- 1,700- Penn
2002-- 2,300- Lehigh
2003-- 1,500- Cornell
2004--2,883- Penn
2005-- 2,000- Navy
2006-- 2,329- Lehigh
2007-- 2,562- ESU
2008--2,100- F&M
2009-- 1,500- Penn
2010-- 2,058- Lehigh
2011-- 1,674- Bucknell
2012-- 1,700- Princeton
2013-- 1,260- Rutgers


Good point about Penn State, Syracuse, and Pitt. Penn State probably had the biggest impact. Still, those numbers keep dwindlingPretty soon they'll be able to hold it in a HS gym.

I think those numbers pretty well speak for themselves as to the finances surrounding the possibility of using the PPL Center.
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Re: PPL Center

Postby thewhorehouseisbusy » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:33 pm

Reap what you sow...

Fans have been treated like crap so no surprise attendance has dwindled.
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